Summer Update
By Bob Lutz
GM Vice Chairman
As usual, summer is speeding by us in sixth gear, and despite GM North America taking its traditional “summer shutdown” in the first week of July, we’ve all been pretty busy around here. In the last month I have visited several corners of the far-flung GM universe, including another trip to Europe to meet with the product development team in Germany. There are some very exciting things happening there that unfortunately shall not be blogged about yet, but stay tuned.
One of my favorite recent trips was to North America’s own little slice of Europe, Quebec. I met with French-Canadian media in Montreal, which, as usual, was both fun and enlightening. They’re a smart bunch, and it’s amazing how sincerely appreciative they are for the simple act of communicating with them in their own language.
The trip to Canada reinforced for me that virtually every market I visit is different, even within the same continent. One of GM’s strengths is that it has product to suit almost every market. Our small cars for Quebec are proof positive of that. It’s a very important market for us and I try to remind them of that every time I go up there.
One last thing… Something else I’ve managed to do during this period is check on this blog, and I have read the saga of Dan Cadigan, the remorseful Honda shopper whom many of you have read about and responded to on this blog.
Dan, I know that my staff has contacted you, but I feel compelled to let you know that I personally appreciate your loyalty and the emotional connection to the American auto industry you have demonstrated. I truly believe if you take a look at the Saturn Aura, you will find exactly what you need. Or, if you can hold off until the Saturn Outlook is launched, you can get one of the best-executed seven- to eight-passenger crossovers on the planet, and bypass the minivans you wish to avoid.
As for your comments about the cars you saw in our dealerships, the Pontiac G6 is one of the highest quality cars available, and it’s routinely at the top of independent owner satisfaction rankings. If the “torque steer” on the V8 Impala is objectionable, try the very harmonious and economical V6 model. Either way, I respectfully disagree with your assessment of Impala’s “cheap controls” — those knobs and switches match the best from Germany or Japan, in my opinion. But don’t just take my word for any of this; go to Edmunds.com and read some of their readers’ experiences, especially those posted by owners of the Buick Lucerne vs. owners of the Toyota Avalon.
Whatever you decide, I thank you for your consideration, and for the depth of your affection for GM and the domestic industry. I hope we can provide the vehicle you need.
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Thanks Bob and yes your staff has made contact much appreciated.
Regarding the Impala controls, perhaps we have stumbled upon a root cause issue here. Perhaps American Cars should stop worrying about impersonating Japanese cars and get back to being American.
I have read some compelling notes on this page regarding just that.
The Charger seems to be working for Dodge
The Challenger holds promise as well
Though I am not in the market for one, what’s up with the Camaro ?
Thanks again for the response. The Aura looks like a great car…even looks American in some ways !
Dan
Over the July 4th weekend, I decided to trade in my ‘03 Honda Civc LX to purchase an ‘06 Chevrolet HHR LT. Sure, with it’s cool retro styling I refer to it as my mid-mid-life crisis car(37 on 7/11), but what I’ve experienced thus far, is a superior drive to my old Civic which was and is a great car. The HHR is so incredibly quiet in the cab, and the handling is superior as well. I am a native Californian who was fortunate enough to attend the University of Michigan. While in school, I met so many wonderful people whose families all worked in the American automotive industry, and as a result I always wanted to purchase a domestic automobile. I was however dissuaded by quality issues, both perceived or real. I am convinced now, that GM is a superior automaker, and can surmount whatever problems it now faces. I am a proud owner of a new Chevrolet and believe my newfound faith in GM will be sustained by continued strides in both quality and design. However, I think you’ll be hard pressed to improve much on the HHR. Thank you for your attention.
About the small cars, I would like to see GM North America offer at least one or two more small cars; minus the Kappa’s, they are specialties. I think Saturn is the brand that needs at least one smaller car than the Ion/Ion replacement; maybe a Aveo based vehicle similar to the S series, maybe a little sport coupe off the same architecture, maybe something that emphasizes green living, and possibly even a breadbox type vehicle that attracts a little different style conscious demographic in the dealership.
About the Honda shopper, GM probably does somethings better than them and they probably do somethings a little better than GM. But no matter what it is, building autos or selling spicy hot dogs, as long as you always try to improve yourself you will always be successful. And successful people don’t always win, but if they always continue to try they will prosper. Personally, I normally liked GM interiors, even liked the old Blazer/Jimmy speedometer; just my tastes.
Summer Conversationalutz
After a lengthy blogo-hiatus, Bob Lutz returns to GM Fastlane Blog today, full of interesting stories. First, Bob’s been traveling. He’s been to visit the product development team in Europe, although mums the word on what’s happening there. He’s also
I find the controls in my moms Impala to be quite good, so i have to agree with Bob here.
However, the side view mirrors are too small, and why on earth isn’t there a telescoping steering wheel?
Perhaps you can also let us know why the brake pedal is 6 inches higher than the gas pedal? I get an ankle ache everytime i drive her car!
As for the HHR, I also think it looks great but the interior plastics are awful. I was wearing a short sleeve shirt when i sat in one and the rock hard and rough door armrest was a major turn-off to me, as were the odd location of the window switches.
Mr Lutz,
I do agree with the comment Joe made regarding one or two cars for saturn sized and priced under the ION or it’s replacement. The Corsa would fit quite well, as it seems to go along with the current plan of making Saturn into the US arm of Opel/Vauxhaul. The Corsa is the right size, roughly the size of the newer small cars from the Import brands, and it’s coupe derivative, the Tigra might just catch the attention of the potential Scion tC buyers out there looking for an inexpensive car to modify over time. The aftermarket already exists in Europe for the car, and I’m sure it would be expanded if the car were ever sold here. While you’re considering this suggestion, may i also suggest that you let some auto customisers have a go at these cars for the next SEMA. I’m sure the reactions will be quite favorable. These cars would also boost your overall fuel milage rating with the Government, and that can’t be bad either.
Dear Bob,
Why do you always seem excited by things happening in Europe and China? Why do you seem so excited by competitors and enemies of the USA? Why are you not excited by developing more product by and for Americans?
America is the reason for the development of the automobile as it is and hsa been. All the auto manufacturers and other manufacturers want to be here, and sell their goods. You, GM, has an advantage here in being an American manufacturer, yet you are wholesale sending everything out of the USA. Toyota brags how American they are in their manufacture and use of American workers. You want to destroy the American worker, and send jobs out of this country. What is wrong with this picture?
Bob:
I can’t help but notice that GM is a little late to the party when it comes to hybrids. Toyota and Honda have been making hybrids for years while GM has no hybrids currently available, and only one of GM’s brands (Saturn) will begin offering hybrids in 2007. I hope that is just a start and that there are more hybrids on the way for 2008 and 2009. I am aware that GM does make flex fuel vehicles. While this may alleviate the US dependency on foreign oil, all the literature that I’ve read indicates that E85 does little for the environment as the emissions are, at best, marginally better than that of gasoline. That concerns me as global warming and C02 emissions are projected to become a major problem in my lifetime. It seems that hybrids are still the most environmental friendly vehicles available. I hope that GM can diversify its hybrid portfolio and offer hybrid coupes with sub 16-second 1/4 mile times, not just underpowered family sedans and crossovers.
Speaking of crossovers, please don’t overdue it on this segment. GM has seven crossovers currently available and that number is supposed to double by 2010? How will GM differentiate these 14 crossovers?
Having just spent approx 1000 miles in a Buick Lacross, I have been swayed toward possible purchase. Probably one of the nicest vehicles I have ever driven. Let’s face it, not everyone wants a BMW, or a Toyota. Sure, they build a great car, but they have their share of problems or disadvantages, also. I was surprised at the fuel milage, which at 24.8 over the trip, thought it might be a little better. Seems the Lesabre got higher MPG, but i may not be the best at driving for milage. But the car rode and handled very well at higher than normal highway speeds, very roomy and well laid out interior. Alot nicer than our Accord. Got out of the car and felt good, even with a broken foot there was great position for the driver. Found the door opening a little shy in the posterior area, but I guess i need to leave a little behind behind me! I may wait until the 5.3L comes out with the active fuel management. That may be the sleeper car of the year. Seems there are some great GM cars on the street right now. You need to get people in them to feel them. There has been so much bad press over the years about the product that people are leary of them and the status of the company that makes them. It will take a long time to get them back to the “new GM” we see today. Competition betters the breed. You have come a long way in the last few years, just keep up the momentum.
Hey Bob,
You’re real.
Please do not link up with Renault/Nissan. I think Renault is synonymous with junk. And I think Nissan is a Toyota wannabe.
Hi Bob:
First of all, thanks for your tireless committment to supporting this blog, and thanks to those out there who have taken time out of their busy schedules to comment on product offerings within this forum (on both sides of the coin). I think nearly all of us here would love to see GM prosper again and set the standard for vehicles around the world (myself included).
I have to say I was a bit saddened to read your comments, Bob, with respect to the Impala controls being world class. While it is an extremely nice car–more than likely one of the best in years from GM–the interior is by no means world class. Having driven a brand new Impala SS from Michigan to Wisconsin and back last week, I have to say that I came away very impressed with the powertrain of the vehicle, but the interior still left someting to be desired.
The 75% of the dash molded out of hard plastic, the ersatz engine-turned trim (with visible parting lines around the vent controls by the way), the hotel room lobby grade leather, warmish A/C, and utterly simple gauges left me feeling like a devoted Blackberry user who just lost one of his thumbs. And why must the dash, and seats, and everything else all be the same tone of black–why not some lighter shades mixed in to offset the monotony?
I also had a chance to preview the upcoming Saturn Aura at the local Plymouth Art Fair here in Michigan, and walked away unimpressed by the styling of the vehicle. The oversize rims were not befitting of the smooth lines, and the leather quality was again abysmal. I think you could lose a finger inside one of the complimentary-color grains.
Although I am only 22, I’m proud to say I myself currently own 3 GM vehicles, though none of them are very “new.” My stable consists of a: 1991 Coupe Deville, 1986 Cutlass Ciera, and, my personal favorite, an all original, 29,000 mile, 1982 Trans Am.
I have to say that while each car does leave a little something to desired (the Cutlass has that lovely, wannabe diesel Iron Duke engine–at least it gets 30+ MPG on the highway with throttle body injection and a 3 speed transmission–go figure), that I never exit one of these vehicles possessing the feeling that I bought a “cheap” car.
The cloth/leather quality on each car is extremely good and each interior has its own personality. There is even actual cloth doled out on the door panels instead of gobs of molded plastic (what ever happend to those days?). The A/C on each car is still functioning (good luck trying to get todays cars to do that), in some cases 25 years later, and is MUCH colder than any system today. And the interiors are not just a single shade of color, but multiple complimentary hues (and none are clothed in “GM drab”–that boring graphite interior that has found its way into everything in recent years, I HATE that).
In my opinion, if you want to get some soul back into your vehicles, you should really focus on reexamining what your own company did in interiors in the 1980s, and 1960s, 1950s, etc.–very innovative stuff. You should also try and make cars more serviceable–why do we need to bring our cars to a dealer every time a Check Engine light comes on? My 1991 Cadillac allows me to not only check all codes, but read all sensor parameters from the digital dashboard–saves me a lot of time and money!
Plus, I can actually maintain these vehicles, with reasonably priced parts mostly by myself.
I’m not saying GM vehicles of the 1980s and early 1990s (before your suppliers got hammered–remember Lopez?) are the best–but they are quite good. And the powertrains, while unrefined by today’s standards, are arguably more trouble free than what you offer today. (I know someone out there is probably laughing, but I really believe this–remember, I didn’t say more refined).
I’ll always be a GM fan, but sadly I’ve come to realize that no car GM offers today really gives me more pleasure than driving around in one of my 20 year old vehicles–the Solstice included (gorgeous exterior, but tasteless interior execution). But when I find one, I’ll let you know.
Anyone else agree/disagree?
One last comment Bob–
Why not invite some of us blog frequenters to a product clinic to evaluate your new offerings? I’m sure some of us would do it for free…Well, I’m a college kid, so you’d have to at least provide some food.
Bob what is going on here you guy’s are letting the competition get the upper hand by not releasing the camaro. The longer you wait the more time they have to consider the competitors vehiles incase you forgot you former employer D/C released the challanger and ford is not taking it easy on gm with the 500 horsepower cobra! GM needs to stand up and let them know that the camaro concept was not a scare tactic it is the future of muscle cars to come! Oh yea make the camaro so it will still be the leaderthat it always was over the mustang/cobra PLEASE! The vette could always be a little faster let’s say 600 ponies that way you get 2 birds with one stone the viper and the mustang!
Dear Bob
Speaking of sixth gear, when is GM’S entire lineup going to get six speed automatics? It seems that the new GM still wants to hang on to some of its old bad habits,slowly bringing out new technoligy and only offering it in high end vehicles. You need to change that policy immetiately and make all new technoligy avalable across the board in all of your vehicles no matter what the price range.
Dear Mr Lutz,
in my opinion there are truly several of your products, which should be compatible to different markets, especially North-America and Europe. Maybe GM-Marketing should consider, in which way a bigger transatlantic exchange of your models could be useful, corresponding by the needs, regarding those markets. My proposals would be (e.g.):
For the European market:
- Chevrolet Cobalt Coupe (there’s still no compact coupe beside the Chevy-Lineup from GM DAT)
- New Chevrolet Camaro (its gorgeous design should cause delightment over here, too)
- Pontiac G6 Coupe (might be an attractive successor of the Opel Monza. This gap had never been closed since 20 years)
For the US-market:
- Opel (Saturn) Zafira (for those customers, who’d like a car with more than 5 seats and an excellent mileage as well, but don’t necessarily need a SUV)
- New Opel Corsa (as a perfect sub-compact for Saturn’s all-new lineup)
- Opel (Saturn) Meriva (roomy mini-van with excellent fuel-efficiency)
Thank you for paying attention.
Bob,
The GM Holden VE Commodore range was released yesterday. The internet is already full of Americans DEMANDING that you bring these cars to the USA!!
Listen to them NOW, don’t wait until it’s too late the way you did with the GTO/Monaro!!
Please Bob, the USA deserves VE & WM!
Bob,
Have you read the editorial in the July Issue of Hot Rod
discussing new muscle cars ?
Its quite interesting, its on page 18 of the Hot Rod July Issue please read it if you haven’t already. Thanks.
Bob,
Glad to hear you took a trip to QC. People here love cars. Unfortunately most cars are priced much higher than in the US at current Exchange rates. Can you please tell me why this is? The CDN dollar has been hovering around 90 cents for almost a year but it seems like all the car prices were set at 76 Cents. Japanese and German cars seem to have the biggest price difference. For instance a 4 cyl Camry LE sells for 30K CDN before taxes, while people in the US pay around 22K CDN. If GM decided to reduce prices to reflect actual rates they would gain market share big time.
Why not invite some of us blog frequenters to a product clinic to evaluate your new offerings? I’m sure some of us would do it for free.
I’d be up for that, too. As long as there was free food.
Greating from Canada,
Your more then welcome anytime.
6 weeks ago, I bought a ‘06 GMC Sierra. The truck rock! Even with the new design coming out I still thought it was a good time to buy. Looking back at my recent version here is the reasons I wouldn’t have bought one:
1) If there was a 1/2 ton truck on the market with a small diesel engine. I would of jumped ship in a heartbeat.
2) If I hadn’t sold all the vehicles I had and went to a SUV. I would of picked the Jeep Liberty with a diesel. Far more torque then anything you had comparable with better fuel mileage.
Hybreds are great for city driving, but add weight and not as great on the highway.
Honestly we need a motor like the 6.2l Diesel.
Thanks for your forum to let us speak out.
GM makes some very decent and competitive cars in the US. However, the cars in Europe, China, and Australia are better than here. Why dumb things down for us Americans? In my apartment complex I saw a Opel version of the Malibu parked next to my car. The Vectra looks like a Malibu but the lines are more attractive and the interior is a whole lot better. I am confident that if the Opel Vectra was brought over here and a Bowtie was on the front and it was called Malibu it would sell better than the current version that we have now.
I just saw pictures of the new VE that will be sold in Austrailia, why doesn’t our Impala, Grand Prix, or Buicks look anything like that?
Bring those cars to the US…
Bob,
I like many of the new products GM is bringing out. I have 2 suggestions:
1. Colorado Avalanche – a mid-sized pick up with the mid gate. Offer better engines than the I-5, ie, 5.3 V8
2. Pontiac Tempest – A 4-door version of the Holden GTO. With all of the Australian engine choices 3.8 3.6 5.0 6.0
Mr Lutz:
It is good to know that you guys identify Canada as a major market for your products enough for someone like yourself to visit. I am interested in the upcoming rear wheel drive vehicles that everybody is saying that GM has in the pipeline. I was interested in purchasing a new GTO until I heard that they would not be sold in Canada. Now I am hearing that there will be a next generation GTO for the 09 model year. I am going to wait until I hear what is going on with that before I purchase another GM vehicle. When are you guys going to formally announce a next generation GTO? Will you show it at the autoshows this winter? Will it be built in Oshawa and sold in Canada? Will it have retro styling? Based on the poor showing for the 04 to 06 GTOs, the styling is going to have to be spectacular. Everything that could have been done wrong for that car was done and the sales figures show it. If your designers don’t know what a GTO is, please contact some the top guys at the GTOAA or Mr Wangers. Buy them each a copy of “Glory Days – When Passion and Horsepower Ruled Detroit”. Those people know what they are talking about when it comes to those cars. I will be patiently waiting for news on the new GTO. I will definitely purchase one if given the chance.
>>>Why not invite some of us blog frequenters to a product clinic to evaluate your new offerings? I’m sure some of us would do it for free.
GM is building winners. Wait 24 months and see for yourself.
The new crossovers will sell like mad…
The Sky and Solstice are world class….
I agree with the comments here about Staurn needing more than the Astra in the lower range.
Saturn must have a less expensive car than $16,000 that the Astra is rumored to cost.
I recommend keeping the Ion name and placing it on a subcompact car slotted below the Astra.
While your at it you can work on fixing the dreadful foglamps that were chosen to ruin the face of the Aura.
As for the Renault-Nissan Alliance, forget about it.
GM has a natural synergy with Honda.
Honda can supply small car chassis and suspensions, plus better 4 cylinder engines and also some great V6 engines, and a competitive Minivan.
GM can supply Honda with Trucks and SUVs, V8 engines and RWD chassis.
Honda is also being smacked around by Toyota, and I think they could be persuaded into an Alliance that would benefit both GM and Honda.
GM + Honda
P.S. Where the heck is the 2007 Aveo!? It was announced months ago with nothing in sight. You are losing sales daily to the Fit and yaris.
Get the 2007 Aveo in stock already!
Your enthusiasm for GM is exciting and infectious. I personally have always felt GM makes great cars and I recently commented on the Mandel News Service online news line under Daily Business Advice that it is suggested buying a GM can improve your personal and corporate image while you will find yourself driving a safe and reliable car. Frankly,I find GMs to be so exciting I am certain I would have been a great deal more well off financially at middle age if I were working in sales and marketing for GM because it is easy to sell a high quality product produced by a talented team which you believe in.
Harold Mandel
Reporter
Mandel News Service
To “getalifeagain”:
So far Renault proved as not very reliable, when you look at the corresponding statistics over here in Europe. But nevertheless Renault has one of the biggest market-shares of all import-brands on the German market and they achieved a lot of excellent crash-test-ratings. For that reason, I think it’s not really fair to talk of “junk”, regarding Renault. I can’t find anything wrong, when GM at least starts to figure out the options and possible advantages provided by an cooperation or alliance. In the meantime Opel and Renault are jointly building vans and they are selling well. That’s already a positive example.
Finally I would like to repeat my proposal to GM: Please, get optional LPG-systems in your cars in the USA, like it is offered by Chevrolet and Cadillac Germany. We are saving such a lot of money since my wife’s Chevy Aveo is running on LPG (gasoline still can be used -> Bi-Fuel). Only walking is cheaper and the car is that low in emissions, not even a Toyota Prius will ever reach that. In the meantime the number of LPG-stations is growing rapidly all over Germany and the companies, which install LPG-car-systems, sometimes have difficulties to serve the numerous orders. LPG is just an incidental product by the processing of natural gas and crude oil. German government already has extended the tax-advantages of LPG until 2018, because it simply is very clean! I think it even should be possible to use LPG combined with your E85-capable engines. Correct me, if I am wrong, but as I believe there’s a considerable amount of Propane/Butane available in the USA. Please, don’t miss to do some research on this opportunity at least.
After the product clinic have a TV ad asking the people to go to Chevy,Pontiac,Buick or who ever .com and vote for the top 2 or 3 ready for production design choices. The highest vote wins and it is built. This “American Ideal” approach to marketing might work. It give’s people what WE want (Saturn SKY hardtop coupe, Kris Horton designed Camaro, and 2003 Chevy SS concept) not what you think (AZTEK,Grand AM styled GTO,and SSR) we want.
Bob,
I appreciate your communication with us and sense that you do in fact consider the feedback you receive. With that in mind I have a few observations on recently released product information.
A year ago, I was anxious to see the products you hinted about, and told us to look for some really terrific new stuff. I’m hopeful that photos don’t do them justice, because generally, I’m disappointed and underwhelmed with the looks of the production Aura, the Lambda trio, and especially the Commodore/Caprice. They are all good looking vehicles, but not huge departures from existing products, and lacking the soul of what the Sky and Solstice seemed to predict. I wanted to be able to say WOW. This year, you hint to some exciting stuff from Europe – I hope I’m not equally disappointed.
Lastly – I agree with Adam and Paul…sign me up!
Here’s a better idea: Let regular bloggers choose a loaner car (so city folks like me don’t get stuck with huge cars they have no way of parking) and let *them* blog about it for three or six months, with no editing, on a subdomain of gmblogs.com. Require a weekly post, and remove them from the program if they use profanity.
This would be a great way to get some press, and get reactions from actual people about actual GM cars.
Bring on the Enclave! As I wrote in the Arcadia thread, to me, the interior photos of the concept Enclave look as good as a $300,000 Rolls Royce. The Enclave truly has one of the best interiors by anyone… Ever.
In 1983 (I was 14), my dad bought a new Buick LeSabre diesel. It’s one of my daily drivers to this day at 234,000 miles. I rebuilt the engine myself at 215,000 in 2004. I’ve jokingly (maybe not) told people that I’ll drive it for another 20 years, and then my son (now 4 years old) will drive it.
I still recall people marveling over how gorgeous the car was. Now, 23 years later, the interior is still nice. I also have a 1999 LeSabre and tell people “Look how boring the ‘99 interor is compared to the ‘83″. That’s a mute point as GM interiors are much better now vs. 1999.
The ‘83 has A LOT of fake wood, but it looks nice. The plastics are also hard, but that’s fine. It’s a simple, elegant, well-planned interior. It doesn’t have gizmos that come in modern interiors – not even electric windows. Here’s a good point: All 4 windows have opened & closed trouble-free for 23 years.
On to diesels for cars -
How about a rear drive Lucerne with a 6-cylinder version of the Duramax diesel? Or a Cadillac DTS diesel to steal Mercedes diesel sales?
Why not utilize the efficiency of diesel engines here in the US? Why do the Europeans get to have all the fun?
I’ve always equated Renault with “Junk”, but this comes from my personal experience of driving a LeCar and a Fuego that my friends owned back in the 80’s, and the horrible experiences they had with them. Not to mention the Alliance ! Maybe they’re better now, but for many Americans this is the only experience we have to go by for Renault. With the image problems GM is trying to overcome, you should really avoid adding to them by joining up with Renault.
Bob,
Finally you and GM have scored a big winner, and I predict as more people see and learn about the Saturn SKY you will regain some lost customers.
For decades many GM and potential GM customers have wanted a car that looked like the CORVETTE, but did not want or could not spend the money to purchase a Vette. I remember the “Mini-Vette” the OPEL GT around 1970 that was marketed, but never lived up to the quality or power people wanted in a version of a mini-vette.
Today’s Mini-Vette the sister car of the Pontiac Solerstist (sp), is EXACTLY what folks who are selling the mini-vans and SUV to go into two seat roadser want. With the additin of the Red Line, for power, the line of Saturns Sky is a try winner of what American’s can doe if they LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE….
The Sky has the lines of a Corvette, and the updated size of a roadster… I am a 2 Corvette owner a NCRS Top Flight 63 Split Window Coupe and a 2002 Convertible, and we plan to purchase the SKY next year. Last year we purchase the Mini-Cooper, as GM had NOTHING to compare this wonderful car with. We hope to be able to keep the Mini and add the SKY…
One other thing I just must relay to you. Are your Corvette Engineers aware of this problem with the C6’s…
If the battery dies, or you have a main computer failure, the automatic versions of the C6 cannot be moved, as you have NO KEY, its now a push button. YOU CANNOT UNLOCK the steering colum or change the gear shift to Neutral to so the car can be pushed to relocate…YOUR OWNERS MANUAL for the Corvette says nothing about this. This could be a serious road hazaard….what are you going to do about this little Corvette Malfunction?
Regards,
Collin MacDonald
Hey Bob,
I’m seeing things improve here at the dealership, I really wish things could change faster, I.E. Zeta Impala, new Cobalt, New Aveo(is comming but not here yet) New Malibu (most people dont like the boxy styling), New Silverado (coming but not here yet), Replace equinox(very uncomfortable seats), Replace trailblazer(not so good on gas, also clubsy on the road)
Also Bob, I believe it would be a good idea, to throw the GM-Nissan-Renault discussion on the board here… I and many people see far to many cons for both companies then I do pros…
Hopefully Saturn will have a blow out year…
And Hopefully Buicks will start having more then just 2 cars again… at least 3 i think… I think buick ought to have a similar line up as cadillac as far as cars… something to compete with the IS 350, the lucern is a good looking car, have yet to get inside, but the outside is amazing… also the lacross could use some help, still has a little of the 90’s buick written on it…
Mr. Lutz,
Wish there was a better way to let you know how much we appreciate what you are doing for GM and for America.
The new cars we’ve seen coming out of GM since your leadership have been wonderful. The new Camaro is fabulous, it shows that GM is listening to its loyal customers.
From the initial media reports, we had no idea how nice the Buick Lucerne really would turn out to be. After seeing it, and test driving it, we were convinced. Is the Lucerne going to be flex fuel soon? Would be be able to convert it if we get one without it? Can the V-8 be flex fuel? These are our thoughts right now.
GM kept America rolling after 911. Since then the US economy has been it lots of trouble, the savings rates are in the tank. Its is a mess, on trade, stock market, and bad policy from Washington almost daily. GM has done a fantastic job of managing these issues, many Americans are counting on you guys up there in Detroit and the Renaissance Center to be victorious, not to give in, or to sell out to foreign interests. It looks like GM’s plans are really working. GM’s needs a tough public policy and to take an interest in US savings and and trade deficits. GM’s business was a lot better in late 1990’s when American savings were up and there were no wars. Unlce Sam sure hasn’t done much for US companies, it seems to be helping the other guys.
Someone has said there is a conspiracy against GM. If there is one, its also against America.
Bob,
Get the VE Commodore over as Grand Prix replacement ASAP! Maybe even add the dual mode hybrid tranny as an option. For the love of all that’s holy, please don’t call it a G8, give it a name with at least a little bit of passion.
If GM HAS to find an alliance, I agree with SteveG – Honda would be appear to be a better fit on the surface. Even the Accord and the Impala are morphing into the same car.
I heard on the radio news yesterday that Ford had announced that it will invest $8 billion to tool up (in England!)to build a 70 mpg Focus. Hello?
Dear Bob;
We just completed a 4200 mile trip in our 2006 HHR.Great car, great ride and we attained an overall fuel economy of 31.6 miles per gallon. This included city, highway and some mountains. You can’t beat this. Keep up the good work.
Excuse me but I need to know when the MSRP on the Monte Carlo ss went up 2000. I have been sitting here waiting to even find one to drive and check out, dealers dont have any, they aren’t making enough to sell and they raise the price. What gives on the MC ? Is it dead or what ?
Bob
Two of GMs greatest assets are the latent nationalism of many Americans and the great heritage of GM. I care about and have affection for GM brands because I remember the cars of the 50s 60s and 70s, many of which were built before I was born or before I could drive. As a kid in the late 60s I thought that one of the best things about being American was our cars as opposed to the Japanese and European buzz boxes. How things have changed. The other thing is that I think it is vital that the U.S. remain an idustrial manufacturing country with its own domesticially owned industries. I still boil over the Chrysler giveaway, even though I like Chrysler products best. If they would ever build a two door Charger or 300 they would get my business.
Gm needs to communicate to American consumers that their choices have consequences nationwide. When consumers choose Japanese cars, even ones made in th U.S. they are choosing to export our capital, give control of our economy to Asia and to help get the U.S. deeper into debt. The end result will inevetably be a lower dollar and a lower standard of living. If we lose our auto industry and other key manufacturing industries we will become a third world bannana republic. American consumers need to be reminded that we are all in the same boat together. Good paying industrial jobs helped to create a strong middle working class and a strong middle class lends stability to a society. I do not subscribe to the view of a global market and one global village and I think many Americans, except for elites, do not either. GM needs an advertising and public relations campaign that talks seriously about the demise of American manufacturing and the broad consequences it portends. Free trade with mercantalists is the equivalant of unilateral disarmament. GM needs to shape public opinion on broad issues that are vital to preserving our industrial heritage. GM needs to communicate to the American public that it is vital to fix the health care mess. Manufacturers in other countries have a tremendous advantage because they are not responable for health care costs of retirees. GM was part of the arsenal of Democracy. This arsenal of Democracy was once vital to our survival. GM needs to communicate that not only are its cars equal in quality and durability but also it is vital to our survival to retain a strong viable auto industry.
My previous post compared the Buick Enclave interior to a $300,000 Rolls Royce. Here are links to a 2005 Rolls Royce Phantom.
1) The MSRP is $328,000:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/rollsroyce/phantom/100655279/prices.html
2) An interior picture is here:
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2006/rollsroyce/phantom/100655279/photos.html
Here’s the Buick Enclave concept interior:
http://www.buick.com/enclave/
Which do you like better?
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Anyone as shocked as I am that this even got printed? http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060718/ap_on_bi_ge/japan_toyota_recall
If GM had a recall like that, we’d probably see on-going CNN live coverage.
Bob,
I posted the following on Steve Shannons blog in June. I think its pretty plain to see that if you want awnswers your the guy to talk to.
“Below is a link of a Concept Holden, this is what the new Buicks should look like. (Just make the back a smaller and more rounded) This car does somthing that nothing in your current lineup will ever do and that is spark emotion! If you dont think theres a market out there, for a car that looks like that, think again!
http://www.allcarwallpapers.com/wallpapers/previews/holden-efijy-concept-1318.jpg
http://rehmeier.de/wp-content/efijy.jpg
http://www.diseno-art.com/images/Holden-Efijy-rear.jpg
I like Buick alot Bob and I dont want see see them get the Ax, something like the Holden Efijy would pump some much needed life back into Buick. You should slap a Skylark sticker on it and bring it to the autoshow next year, Im sure you would get a good reaction.
-Frank
Go for the Renault-Nissan Alliance! If you people only look at the benefits the deal has. Carlos Ghosn has saved Nissan from extinction, and is helping Renault gaining their old status again (through “Commitments 2009″).
All you talk about is “junk this, junk that”. Maybe be a little more open-minded for a change, ha? GM is in big trouble, and Renault has a good reputation of saving big autobrands (euh, Nissan!). Bob, please think about the deal and you will see that its a positive one.
DEAR BOB I bought a 03 trailblazer new and i have had problem after problem and gm will not fix the problems now that the warranty is out but i have got the same problems that gm was to fix under warranty the vehicle has been in the shop about sixteen times for warranty work and no one will give any help i have never been so dissatisfied with a vehicle or company to make their product right
Mr. Langlitz,
I believe what was being referred to with the “Junk” comment was in reference to some of the Renault badged cars that were once offered here in the US during the 1980’s. Shortly after Renault took over American Motors Corp, they phased out most of AMC’s aging model lineup and replaced it with several versions of the Renault 19 Known locally as the Renault Encore, and Alliance, which were built at former AMC plants. Unfortunatly to many corners were cut with those cars, and the cars just weren’t made very well. Had we gotten the same quality as the french made cars, I doubt that Renault would even have left this market. The Renault 5 (with the words “Le Car” on the doors) initially showed promise, and were actually fairly decent cars. Had Renault backed that up with decent versions of the 19, they would have had their solid foothold in the US market. As it was, the AMC Eagle wagon was the nicest offering of the new cars available at the AMC/Renault lots, and the only one gaining in quality from year to year.
That said, I believe that such a partnership could work, as long as GM stays independant of both Renault and Nissan. Renault could easily provide their expertise on diesel engines for GM’s cars, and Nissan can help GM with getting their small car program put back together. As fot eh Honda thing… I don’t recall GM ever doing anything with Honda, nor do I think they should start now. I’d much rather they stopped selling a Toyota rebadged as a Pontiac as well.
To James on maintaining American manufacturing strength…RIGHT ON! But a GM ad campaign on this might be rocking the boat a bit much. But GM should definitely do some flag waving in their ads, especially for Chevrolet. That Baseball-hotdog-apple pie-and Chevrolet ad during the recent MLB All-Star Game was awesome. Let’s see more of it!
To “Buick Diesel”:
It’s not only the 420.000 Toyotas because of faulty engines. There’s even a report over here, concerning 367.500 Lexus, which had to be recalled at the beginning of July, because the throttle could be blocked by a plastic-piece of the interior. That’s no fun, neither.
Those guys at Toyota are also cooking their coffee just with water…
I agree very strongly with Adam who said concerning the Impala “the interior is by no means world class.” I too think that GM interiors were constructed of better materials in the 80’s than they currently are.
This is especially true of the door panels and the quality of leather used on the seats. I worked at a Chevy dealership from 1983 to 1988, and I saw a LOT of car interiors during that time, not just Chevrolets. In those days, you saw cloth or leather coverings over soft foam on the doors, with carpeting along the bottom part of the doors. There’s none of that now. Now, most door panels are one, large, hard piece of plastic from window to floor.
One recent example of cheap door panels that disappointed me is on the new SUV’s. The Tahoe, Yukon, and Cadillac all use the same basic plastic interior door panel for the front doors. The only difference is, on the GMC Denali’s they get one additional piece of leather(?) trim above the door armrest, and the Escalade gets two additional leather trim pieces; one above the armrest and one below. The Chevy gets neither. That’s a cheap way to differentiate a $35,000 Chevy from a $55,000 Caddie! The Caddie deserves more uniqueness than that. (Cadillac-specific sheet metal would be nice too, while you’re at it!) Another thing that should be more unique is the steering wheel. You’re sharing two or three steering wheels accross just about every division. Good grief, GM didn’t even do that in the 70’s or 80’s!!!
I know that GM doesn’t manufacture all these parts. Suppliers like Delphi, Lear, and Johnson Controls do a lot of the interiors. But if they can make better quality plastics and interiors for your competitors, they can do it for you.
BTW, Bob, like the new 2007 SRX interior. Those German suppliers are awesome, eh?
Mr. Rueter,
thank you for the information about Renault’s attempt to enter the US-market. I just remembered they tried it a time ago and failed, but I didn’t know the details. I agree, GM’s portfolio should stay independent. Opel is already offering first-class Diesels over here (extremely quiet, powerful, great mileage), but in the meantime Renault at least has excellent competence as far as safety is concerned. At the moment Renault has the most models with a 5-star-crashtest-rating (EuroNCAP) over here and maybe their know-how could also be useful to a certain degree for the development of future GM-vehicles. To the other direction GM could help improve the reliability of Renault’s vehicles, which still perform weakly at our breakdown-statistics over here (e.g. by ADAC). Opel, for example, was showing a tremendous improvement in quality during the last few years and in the meanwhile those cars belong to the very best. Maybe the Zafira would be a fine successor for the Pontiac Vibe (Toyota-joint venture), which will be phased-out, as I could read recently.
Bob,
What I love about reading your posts is that you always seem to have confidence in GM engineering that goes beyond the typical PR spin we expect from GM. Yours strikes me as true, genuine pride. And it makes a GM fan like me glad.
I wrote about my desire to see GM engineering succeed and continue to be strong in Detroit and abroad, no matter what the future holds, and I hope you’ll give it a quick skim/read: http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34213
Keep the fire burning – you’ve done a great job of leading GM ’s product efforts so far and I look forward to more amazing products like the Solstice!
- Ming
Mr. Lutz,
I am a bit of a “Juliet.” My grandfather worked for GM his entire life (I used to wear one of his anniversary pendants on a neclace when I was a little girl). Then I grew up and married someone who works for Honda. Anyway, my parents always buy GM products new (trade them in every two years) and I always buy used Honda products. That is one of the biggest differences in quality comparison of the two. Hondas will last forever and you have to trade a GM car in every couple of years. I had a used Chevy when I was 18 and it lasted a year. My husband and I bought a new Olds and it only lasted a couple of years before we had to start dumping money into it. Then we bought an Accord with 150,000 miles on it for less than $5000. It has over 350,000 on it now and my sister is still driving it. There has never been an expensive repair on it.
I still have some GM pride, but there is definately room for improvement.
Thanks!
Bob:
Be sure to take most of the negative comments of some of these kids with a grain of salt. Many are coming straight from study hall from experts who have never owned a car and base their whining comments and criticisms on mom’s car and the rides of their school buddies. I have owned and have been driving everything from junkers to race cars for 40 years and feel qualified to comment on the criticizm of the Impala and other GM cars. We love our Impala SS, which is a stablemate of 2 Corvettes, a LT 4WD Suburban, and a LTZ Trailblazer. The interior and controls are just fine, and I can’t think of a better combination of performance, styling, fuel economy, interior room, and bad weather performance than our SS. The Burb is my 4th, mixed in with a couple of duallys, and they are the greatest all purpose, do anything vehicles of all time. They TB has been great, and the Corvettes need no comment as they are in a league above mere mortal cars. In a foolish moment, we owned a Honda Accord years ago and it was the worst maintenance nightmare of any vehicle I have ever had. Stay the course, keep up the great work, and leave a few of the platforms FWD for us snow belt drivers.
My, my. A look at autoblog.com shows SEVERAL recalls of the mighty TOY-MOTOR products, as well as several complaints over the avalon’s quality. I’ve owned several Buicks over the last 22 years ( I’m only 38, a baby by Buick standards. Bob, I’m doing my best to lower the average age of a Buick owner), and I have NEVER had a major failure in any of them. Rest assured, Buick’s will be in my stable until I die. GO GM!!!
Sirs,
I am a muscle car owner and I am a little surprised and upset that GM is not competing with Ford or Chyrsler, when it come to producing next generation muscle cars. I resently learned that you do not intend to produce a 2007 GTO. With the introduction of the 2007 Shelby, the 2007 Dodge Charger Super Bee both with high horse power big block engines, you are not even attempting to compete. With the exception of a poor performing Monte Carlo SS (303 hp.) your muscle car out put is zero (Corvette not included for obvious reasons). I own several muscle cars ‘69 RS-Z-28 Camaro, ‘70 Chevelle SS-LS6 454,’69 GTO Judge RA IV, ‘69 Trans Am, ‘69 455 Hurst Olds, and several others. Could you tell me how GM plans to up hold their performace tradition.
I like my 98 GMC Jimmy, although I had to replace the radiator because the 150,000 mile Dexcool coolant turned to mud at 85,000 miles- but I’ll overlook that little mishap.
Avoid Renault like the plague. This is an attempt by Kirkorian to try and get some profit out of his initial investment. Morever, Ghosn could care less about turning GM around – he’s after your brands (namely Chevrolet and Cadillac) and your factories in the US. Don’t get suckered into this deal at all. He doesn’t care about the history and character of a great American icon. He just wants to see Renault/Nissan get access to a lot of factory space and technology on the cheap.
I see no benefit at all to GM. GM has put quite a bit of effort into it’s current and upcoming platforms and there’s no reason to share anything with Nissan that I can see – at least here in N. America. Okay, maybe a diesel engine or maybe a small car platform, but THAT may even be stretching it.
Bob Miller
Houston, TX.
I’ve always wondered why doesn’t GM market products produced for the overseas market in the United States. Many GM products produced or marketed overseas are (to my opinion) far more attractive than their domestic counterparts, a great example of this is the Chinese Buick Lacrosse; I’ve always been a fan of luxury cars and I recently was able to visit a Chinese Buick store and to my amazement the products sold in China marked under the Buick nameplate (specially the beautifully designed Buick Royaum) are far more attractive and upscale than those sold in the US. Also, something as simple as feature availability makes overseas GM products far more appealing outside the US (great example is Buick and Holden). If I can have a navigation radio and automatic climate control on an Opel Astra why can’t I have on a Chevy Impala or a Buick Lacrosse?? That is the question that many GM owners (like myself) are wondering, or is it that GM saves its best products for overseas while its North American divisions are being overtaken by import brands who actually listen to what the consumer wants and offers it in their vehicles. See, GM can revive its North American divisions and be profitable on the US market, if only they applied their some of their designs used overseas and offered more features and revised styling cues to now existing models which in the long run should help GM as this would reduce costs by incorporating their technologies used overseas and in the US to create a “Global Vehicle Design and Construction Platform”, that is the key to the success of many foreign brands such as Toyota and Nissan and it would only be right if GM moved in that direction. In the meantime I will continue as a loyal GM owner, but I only wonder if other GM owners will be as loyal as I (and many other people are); the question lies on the 2005 and 2006 new automobiles sales reports in which import brands continue to gain ground in US car sales while GM’s market share is only decreasing. GM North America executives, the answer is not in producing more new products, but radically improving existing ones.
Hi bob,
As the proud owner of a 98 Camaro SS, I should say that GM is dragging it’s heels in releasing the new camaro. It’s my understanding that the car’s to be built (if you build it) of the zeta platform that you’re using down under, right now. DCX is tooling for a challenger, ford’s still selling every mustang it builds. Why Bob, can’t I go buy a camaro, right now? 400 horses. 6 gears, IRS, only gm styling. Build me this car Bob. I know at least 100000 people feel the same way. I’ll tkae mine in hugger orange with z28 stripes please
Bob,
I’m curious why you choose to disclose so little about GM’s future products. I’m 25 and looking for my next vehicle. I’m trying to decide whether to buy now or to wait until some of the new models come out. As I look around the automotive landscape, I see DaimlerChrysler bringing out a host of new, innovative, and stylish offerings and concepts. Toyota, Nissan, and the Koreans are at it as well. Honda/Acura are behind, and Ford isn’t even on the playing field (except for the Mustang and F150, and trucks aren’t what they used to be). Mitsubishi is talking about pulling out of North America if sales volume doesn’t increase. The point is that the auto companies that are generating buzz and creating traffic in showrooms are the ones with the best publicly-known product pipelines. Wouldn’t it make more sense for GM to try to drive traffic in its showrooms via more frequent and detailed product information??? People don’t live in a vacuum anymore and younger buyers tend to do a lot more research on their purchases. For me, it isn’t just about seeing what’s in the showroom today, but it’s also about knowing what will be available within the next 6 months to a year. GM might be better served to do more public unveilings of future product plans and gauging reactions that way. After all, how many more Impalas and Malibus can you afford? Being honest, both cars are duds (especially compared to the 94-96 Impala SS that preceded the current car). Times are changing, and I’d like to see GM in the fast lane. It’s great for Americans and it’s also good for car lovers everywhere.
Nathan Lawless
Hi Bob–
I have to say that while many are pushing you to build the new Camaro–yes, it’s great looking, will most likely sell 100,000 vehicles, etc., and SHOULD be built, that car companies have become WAY too enamored with “halo” vehicles over the past few years as opposed to mainstream sedans.
While every company needs a great “halo” vehicle, let’s not forget that in order to increase market share and boost confidence in buyers that you really need to work on the mainstream vehicles first.
On another note, let everyone know if you’re able to get us in on a new product evaluation, or something akin to Paul’s suggestion!
Reviewers In This Day
Some of the notable car reviewers of this day were the car reviewers of the past. Oddly enough, they liked the “junk” that came out of Detroit that they now disparage. What’s even odder is that the cars that come out of Detroit now are 100 times better than the past! It’s quite confusing to the consumer, an anomaly.
I agree with patrickmichael that a Honda partnership would make a lot more sense than a Nissan partnership. 1) Honda isn’t broken. 2) Hondas “last forever”.
I’m in a similar situation as Nathan Lawless. I’m 26 and in the near future I’m going to want to replace my 98 Bonneville. I agree with Jon above: GET THE VE COMMODORE OVER HERE TO REPLACE THE GRAND PRIX NOW. RIGHT NOW! I’m talking nearly production ready concept by January, on the lots by mid-late 2007 as a 2008 model. If the Impala goes RWD before the Grand Prix I’m going to be severely p*ssed off. Pontiac’s lineup should have been 80% RWD 3 years ago and now they have 1 RWD car that is dying a bland death. Chevy is a volume Toyohonda competitor and can wait an extra year if you decide the Impala should also go RWD. I know, you should probably restyle the VE Commodore some on it’s way over, but get it done FAST and don’t call it a G8. And – For The Love of God – the car needs to have a huge WOW factor when people see it inside and out, and not cost an arm and a leg like the current GTO does. I would disagree with the earlie post about every pontiac looking like the Solstice. If you are in need of a styling idea (aside from retro), here’s one. The new Grand Prix should look unique and aggressive from front, side, and rear, and scare the —- out of people when it’s coming down the road.
Bob,
It might be a good idea to tease the public with a verbal description of what products are coming, maybe some pencil drawings. Nathan’s comment above was that he wanted to see what is coming, while we have the same desire to peak at GM’s new products, we’ve cautioned against giving the Japanese any leads on GM products, its too risky. GM should probably not reveal photos or too much early information these days because the competition is taking your ideas. We are excited to see some new products.
GM does need more new products, specifically sedans, there are plenty of sales there. Cadillac could use a small entry level roadster like the Solstice. Pontiac needs a more stylish flag ship sedan, something a bit larger than the Grand Prix.
When we’ve shopped at Cadillac dealers, we’ve seen Toyota customers considering a new Cadillac, the quality repuation of GM is working. We’re seeing improvements in the GM dealership experience at the local level.
Regarding concerning about negative comments above. Many younger people are adversely affected by older people, not necessarily by their peers. Many younger people want to support America, but are confused about who to listen to more than in the past. Trust is an important factor in a purchasing decision. Shop for any piece of technology or big ticket item, and you will hear people wondering which product they can trust, which product they see as the “best.” A smear campaign or fear can scare people into buying from the competitor. GM’s new products are inspiring that kind of trust and confidence. The Buick Lucerne is a fine example.
Engines are another issue, many would like a V-8, they trust it, they perform well, but they want a more fuel efficient V-8. Offer a small fuel efficient V-8 with a bit less horsepower if necessary to have the efficiency, people will buy it, they want them.
The media protects some of your foreign rivals from bad news, Toyota has silenced the news about its recall troubles already.
Don’t confuse your loyal customers with a Renault-Nissan Alliance, we don’t want it. Many trust GM and its products, don’t be persuaded to betray the trust of customers who have supported GM through the tough times.
Mr Lutz,
Saw much in he media this past weekend about the Tesla Roadster — an electric auto with performance similar to a Porsche 911 and a range of 250 miles between charges. (Recharging from a standard wall outlet.)
http://www.teslamotors.com/
Also 100,000 miles between major service check ups, and a direct operating cost for fuel (electricity) of 1-2 cents per mile.
If everything I’ve read is true, they will be selling the roadsters like the proverbial hotcakes, as they will the sedan they now have in the design stage.
So the big question: How did a little start-up company in Silicon Valley beat you guys — the people who are supposed to be a world class car company — to the punch?
I know a big company like yours doesn’t always have catlike reflexes, but geez, this has got to be embarrassing, isn’t it?
Respectfully,
Gary Dikkers
Hi Mr Lutz
I leased a base 4 cyl 5 speeds Saturn VUE 3 years ago and I’ll have to return it next year. This car ran 35K miles. This vehicule is the perfect example about a really nice concept with bad execution. It fits my needs of space, confort, 5 passengers and cargo capacity and the overall engine have a reasonnable efficiency. But the biggest complaint i have about this v√©hicule is poor quality. Just a short list:
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-Unpholstery stains just looking at it
-Many clunking noise in front suspension fixed twice and it’s coming back again
-Growling muffler needing replacement
-worn out wheel bearing
-Clunking steering column
-Out of specification head engine part needing replacement…
-and so… (VIN available on request
I can live with it with a leased vehicule, but not with a long term purchase. That’s why i’m scratching my head thinking about what kind of decision i’ll take when i will replace it next year… How should I think the next one will be better? Perhaps I’ll be more advised to try a Honda CRV or a Toyota.
When you lose the consumer’s trust, it’s very difficult to have it back again. You’d better to have a conception problem than a perception problem. You can fix the first one in a few years, but you will need at least a decade to change the consumer’s perception.
P.S: Just to make the base VUE more competitive with other brand, Saturn should replace the base 2.2 l Ecotec by the 2.4l Ecotec. With a more torkey engine, they would be able to put a longer 5th gear and obtain the same kind of fuel consumption
Since all this talk about the new Camaro has come up, I’d like to mention one other car that should be considered for a reappearance. The Firebird. Particularly the Trans-Am. I would think that creating a new Banshee concept (Firebird concepts historically are named Banshee) to gauge public reaction would be interesting. Particularly if the car were styled to remind us of the Firebirds of the late 70’s, which were the years in which the most Firebirds were sold. Burt Reynolds isn’t doing much these days, so you could get him to pose with a black and gold “Bandit” version of the car, complete with an updated “Screaming Chicken” decal covering the hood. Hey, it’s a concept, so why not go a bit over the top? If public reaction is favorable, then try not to dilute the car’s styling to much in the transition from concept to production.
To “Getalifeagain”:
I absolutely agree to what you are telling about the reviewers. Referring to my experiences it makes no sense to read reviews in many cases, because they simply don’t meet the facts about the cars very often. For example, when I recall all the negative reviews from German car magazines about the Alero or Aveo, which my wife and me are owning, we just come to result, that’s nothing but pure garbage from those “experts” writing for these car magazines! I only have to recommend: Go to the dealership and get your own opinion.
I would also like to add that the Opel Corsa would be the perfect addition to Saturn’s lineup. Please bring it over; as evidenced by the Honda Fit and Toyota Yaris, I think you’ll be pleasantly surprised by how easily it will sell.
Have to correct myself… I don’t know how I could have forgotten that the Solstice is RWD in my previous post. But my point remains: For ‘06 Pontiac has 2/7 RWD cars (if the Bonneville hadn’t been killed it would have been 2/8) and after the poor GTO is gone (hopefully just for a short time) it’s going to be 1/7. More RWD performance for the “performance” brand – and fast!
Mr. Lutz,
(and other readers)
I have been keenly watching GM and other auto makers waiting to see some improvements in overall product quality and efficiency. One thing I noticed was
the fact that Europe and Australia have some neat cars, some of which aren’t
available in the US. I always wondered why?
For example the new Cadillac BLS in Europe. Its awesome looking for its size,
I’d almost say its a US version of the VW Jetta with Cadillac styling except of course it isn’t. As an engineering
student I love power and efficiency. It has often surprised me that more attention
hasn’t been given to these cars. In the US GM only has a few diesel offerings,
almost entirely in the truck line if I am not mistaken. Why aren’t more in the US?
I’ve heard that Chrysler will be offering some. In fact I had the opportunity to
drive a new Dodge truck with diesel in it AND the super long cab (which I might add
was akin to driving in the back of a limo, certainly better then the GM quad cab for now).
The one thing that amazed me on this new diesel was the complete lack of any diesel smell.
The smell that was there reminded me of a propane powered car, very clean smelling. I hope
GM has something like this in the works for ALL their line. Diesels amaze me with fuel mileage.
(I’ve heard first hand claims from VW drivers of 50 MPG highway).
My father owns a 2003 Duramax and I have to say the thing is a ton of fun to drive. I can’t even tell it’s a diesel 99.5% of the time. The fuel economy is pretty good too, not quite the 24 MPG we were hoping to see but much better then our old 1990 K1500, I hear the new ones will be better.
Why not a Cobalt with a diesel hybrid.. add to it water injection and I’ll bet the fuel economy will be way up. It wouldn’t bother me a bit to have to add a few gallons of water in the summer or water/alcohol mix in the summer. I have read some compelling reports on water injection and its effects on BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption).
I’m pretty sure when I finish engineering school I’ll be in the market for something to replace my 266K mile 87 Fiero (which will then be getting a 3500 SFI or a 3900 SFI with a 6 speed to replace the 3.4 that spun a rod bearing that’s in it now).
As of now I’m eyeing up a BMW 330d diesel, with a 0-60 time of 6.6 seconds and a Europe rated 40+ MPG, I hear this will be in the states in 2007 or 2008, the mileage and HP is very irresistible.
I kind of hope GM has something that’ll win me back over (I’m from a family that’s always owned GM). I joke with my dad about a GTO with a Banks worked Duramax in it.
When will a Diesel be out in the Colorados?
So far I have been fairly impressed with a few of the GM line. The new Buicks are just increadible… to bad I’m not looking for a front wheel drive car.. The Cadillacs are pretty nice but a bit pricey for for the HP and my current taste (I have lost interest in the squared off body stying). And of course the Cadillacs don’t have the greatest millage. But I suppose that’s to be expected from that market segment.
The GTO is awesome, except I wish Buick had done the interior. I also wish there was an available navigation system (there is in Australia why not in the US?). To me Nav system is almost a requirement these days, there is so much information available that can make trips easier and more fun. And with the new traffic systems in larger cities it will be even more convenient.
As an aside I just saw the new Buick Enclave. My jaw dropped when I saw it. Its one of the best looking SUVs I’ve seen and the interior is awesome. If you release that in a Diesel I’m almost sold. If you can give Buick a GTO like car with RWD and do a full sport luxury car and maybe an optional diesel I’ll buy in a Heart Beat. (style it with the smooth curves that Buick has going on, not the facets of Cadillac).
I had the opportunity to sit in a GTO and drive it, it was fairly impressive although there were a few minor things I think could have been better like clutch placement, and the un-level armrests (actually I’ve noticed this in many GM cars… sit in an old fiero and notice how awesome the driving posture is and how comfortable the arm rests are, ok maybe I’m biased I refuse to let that Fiero die).
Possibly it is because I’m not looking for a muscle car but rather a higher performance sedan/luxuray car. I often thought it would be cool if the GTO had the 4.8-5.3 Liter DOD V8 (maybe a Northstar??) or even better yet a 4.0 L V8 with DOD and twin turbos. Imagine a car that would have 400+ HP and be able to cruise like a 4cylinder, push the pedal down slow and one of the turbos spools up, push it to the floor and all 8 cylinders come to life and the turbos both spool up and instantly you have more power then the tires will handle. Pair that with a good 6 speed, or maybe an auto with pushbutton… a Buick style interior and all of a sudden its a whole different animal. Buick needs one rear wheel drive car with their nice curves (contrasted to Cadillacs facets). The GTO almost looks BMWish… I think It would be an awesome Buick (put a turbo V6 in there you could call it a Grand National I’m sure no one would mind).
The new Camaro prototype looks awesome for a weekend toy. I hope if it goes to production GM isn’t afraid to put the price up a bit on it. A car with styling that good deserves the best treatment the engineers can give it for suspension and drive train and of course interior (maybe even get the Vette team working on a full independent rear to make it handle). A nice 6.0, with a 7.0 option and that car is going to be sold out… if they can give it good gas mileage (direct injection? or maybe a smaller turboed engine) it’ll be really awesome, I do however wonder what the drag coefficient is on it…..
It would be very nice to see several different interior trims available. While I love Pontiac’s styling in the past their interior noise and interior quality have left something to be desired.
While on the other hand Buick has always (since 1990) done pretty nice with their interiors and noise levels. My dad used to have a 1993 Buick Park Avenue until the transmission died, my friends used to call it the Lazy Boy on wheels. To this day its one of my favorite cars to go on a long trip in.
The new Le Cerne I hear is awesome. Again to bad they cant’ put that quality as a custom option onto the rest of the GM line. Perhaps the car industry is different, but I think having several interiors available (styles not just colors) could boost sales especially on cars aimed at young people who like to customize everything anyway… and with all the euro variations of the car it’d be neat to have some choices.
As a last note, I’d like to mention that to me quality is more important then price. My Fiero is a decent example. Since parts are still (kind of) available I keep fixing it, it’s a good car and I like it. So I have no problem paying more for something that is good and runs for a long, long time. I’m not sure if the rest of the customers agree with me here but its one of the attractions to BMW’s 3 series (perceived quality??). But rest assured I will be checking out GM’s products when I’m ready to buy a new daily driver in a year.
I’d love to get an e-mail in response to some of the above, I love the idea that I can leave feedback (and vent on a few GM issues). In fact feel free to have your engineers contact me if you want. I really hope GM can regain its brand loyalty that it might have lost.
Nate
Aerospace Engineering Student
PS I have decided to post my response to a few of the posts on this page.
I would like to first comment on a few posts from this forum after these comments my remarks and concerns regarding GM are posted:
As to the American job market:
I personally think the problem lies with the American worker and his demand for buying power. Today’s companies have little choice but to go overseas where labor is cheaper. This also brings the costs of products down for the US (and the American worker). To me the problem would seem to be in two separate things going on:
1) Globalization is happening all around the world as developing countries raise their standard of living to match that US. Until all countries are somewhat equal labor will be cheap elsewhere (look around at Japan, and India as examples. A few years ago labor was cheap there; today not necessarily the case).
2) People in this country aren’t willing to work for the pay that their own wants (in terms of goods and services) demand. (Again this is my opinion which is still evolving).
As to the lack of hybrids:
You are right hybrids are a necessity in the long run as they are conservative in energy use (regenerative braking etc..) I would think the technology isn’t quite there yet. However keep in mind the main problem today with fuels is cost and availability a function of shear demand. The only easy way to eliminate or reduce the global warming problem is by making more efficient vehicles or getting rid of the carbon in hydrocarbon fuels. I’m not sure either is cost effective yet. The only other solution I can think of is develop things faster (read more R&D dollars and personnel) or reduce the amount of energy consumed in the US market. And of course I know better then to think either of those will happen immediately. The best thing is to make a difference one person at a time (especially if you are concerned about this type of thing).
As to interiors and older GM quality:
I feel the new GM interiors lack something (except a few of the new ones like the Vette and the Buicks and some of the Caddillacs… to much Henry Ford in them (any color you want as long as it’s black).
As to power train quality. I think they have come a long way. My mother’s Olds Cutlass Supreme (1990) was my favorite of GM cars I’ve driven so far. The interior started to fall apart at only 140K, and the transmission never had a good positive feel. While on the other hand the current Olds Intrigue (2001) has a much better feel to it, however the interior is plain, it is quiet and fairly comfortable. I am wondering how long the engine and transmission will last before something goes wrong. I give it until about 110K. Of course I’m a buy it for life person and wish someone would offer a warranty (and make parts) for cars for 200K. Its interesting to note that my 87 Pontiac Fiero gets only slightly less gas mileage then cars in its equivalent weight and aerodynamic drag class today.
As to WOW cars:
Its hard to keep making WOW products, because the bar gets higher and higher every time (and costs more). I do agree that something needs to be done. People will only by what is available. I also think A Lego interior so to speak where a customer can piece together their own interior options (say a euro dash with a an American color scheme, or a Euro dash with Pontiac round vents etc..). The ability for a customer to customize the ride noise comfort, transmission type, dash type, radio, sound system etc.. There need to be more options. Maybe two different dash styles (especially on cars which are common platforms with other brand names). Why can’t I order a G6 with an Open dash or a a Chevy with a Pontiac dash, or a Pontiac with a Buick interior. It would let me pick the exterior I like along with the interior I like. To my knowledge no car company has this, it’s all about options. Take it to the next level give us interior and dash options aside from simple color changes.
I have an idea for radio design, but you will have to e-mail me on that one.
As to the LuCerne with a diesel… all I can say is that a Lucerne with a RWD diesel well it would be a sensuous experience and I’d never want to get out of it…. Make it I’d take that over a BMW any day.
I have to agree the Holden Concept is incredible it made me say wow I want one. Just like the new Enclave did. Make a RWD Buick!! PLEASE and to quote Q from James Bond, “put all the usual Buick refinements in it”.
To: OC1Dave
Not to be offensive but us kids are the future market. Many in high school and college are buying Cobalts and other cars like it. And the slightly older ones are looking for slightly more mature/higher class cars. What we like is what makes us buy. In a year or so I’ll be in the market (which certainly makes my input valid considering developmental time for cars). I have my eyes set on a BMW 330d which hopefully will be available by then. I hope GM has something from Buick that will make me forget about the BMW. After seeing what can be done I think GM might be good to listen to some of the kids out there. Although I tend to think my views as an engineering student is different, perhaps I’m wrong.
To all the Toyota-enthusiasts:
Corresponding to the latest results by the FAW (Forschungsstelle der Automobilwirtschaft in Bamberg, Northern Bavaria), an institute for automotive research, there’s coming up a quality-crisis at Toyota. This year there already had to be recalled 10 Toyota-models all over Germany alone. In addition, Toyota slipped down from the 4th to the 11th place (2005-2006) at a survey, regarding the dealership-satisfaction. The main reason, named at the research, would be shorter times for the developement of new vehicles. You can read it on your own: http://de.cars.yahoo.com/26072006/292/faw-qualitaetsprobleme-toyota.html
It’s in German, but I think it’s worth to get it translated.
So, where’s the need to move from GM to Toyota?
Bob,
I have heard that Caddys new slogan is “Life, Liberty and the Persuit”. I think something like, “Life, Liberty, and Luxury” would sound alot better. Anyone Agree?
Edwin,
You supported my point and didn’t even know it. GM should NOT be afraid to show the Japanese what is coming. In fact, that is precisely the point. The Japanese cannot and will not build cars styled specifically for the American market. They also cannot match the design history and prowess of a General Motors. We’ve seen it over the last decade from Chrysler. The Viper, PT Cruiser, 300, Magnum, Charger, Caliber, and the soon to be unleashed Challenger all started as concept vehicles and ended up becoming production hits. There’s a good chance that the Dodge Hornet concept will also enter production. These cars had several things that the Japanese couldn’t match, especially not in the 2 years or less that it takes DCX to go from concept to production. The rear-wheel drive architecture, the styling, and the nameplates all scream American.
Ford, despite it’s struggles, did the same thing with the Mustang. The retro concept appeared and shortly thereafter they made the production announcement to take advantage of the public response. I’m not suggesting that GM give away trade secrets, but what I am suggesting is that they need to do a much better job in several areas:
1. Show the future products and gauge public response. Your concepts need to use more off the shelf parts and need to be executable in production. A big part of the problem (especially on interiors) is that the design looks great with chrome and leather, but doesn’t translate to the cheap plastic that is used in most Chevrolets.
2. Shorten the lead time between concept and production viability. Again, the steps in number one will help this process. It will also make your concepts more drivable (see the Challenger concept and Imperial concept from Chrysler).
3. Give the green light when public response is overwhelming (see Camaro and all of the people who have turned from clamorers for the Camaro to Challenger customers since the Camaro doesn’t appear that it will EVER get a green light from the Ivory Tower).
4. Don’t be afraid to let the styling department loose. ESPECIALLY ON THE CARS! Leave the conservative design to the Japanese – they have the market cornered. I’d love to see GM take a look back to the 30s-60s era of design (minus the fins). Style matters to American consumers, and that is the edge that GM and the other American manufacturers can have over the Japanese. They haven’t completely figured it out yet, but the Scion experiment by Toyota shows that they aren’t completely in the dark.
Now is the time to grab young consumers like myself. Kids today have stopped dreaming of Mustangs and have started dreaming of import tuners. As those cars start making their way to America (see the Subaru Impreza WRX, Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution, and Nissan Skyline), GM’s life is only going to get worse. By showing some American style and being high profile, GM might just stand a chance of surviving and thriving over the next 30 years. It also wouldn’t hurt to get some of your cars featured in games like Gran Turismo, Need for Speed, and Project Gotham Racing. They generate a lot of buzz for those foreign nameplates. I’m 25 and between my fiance and I we have 5 daughters: 17, 14, 10, 5 and 4. The 17 year old wants a Mitsubishi Eclipse. The 14 year old wants a ‘69 Dodge Charger (proving that not all is lost for her generation). The 10 year old trends toward the imports. I’m not saying that these statistics are representative of the buying public, but 1 out of 3 won’t keep GM, Ford, and Chrysler in business in the future. BTW: all 3 of the girls are avid XBox gamers on Project Gotham Racing 2.
I cannot help but think that GM has already green-lighted the Camaro (the concept is on their web site) and will unleash it on an unexpecting but yearning public. Perhaps this is just wishful thinking on my part. I want to see this car on the road. It will sell like hotcakes.
However, if this GM’s m.o. in this case, it is an error. How many potential GM customers have not waited for a car that may never come and instead purchased a Mustang, we’ll never know.
To Bob: In regards to Caddilac’s new slogan, I believe there is already a catch phrase out there GM should use that is rock solid: “THE CADDILAC OF…”. People use it to describe something as the best in it’s class, ie. “CROSS PENS ARE THE CADDILAC OF ALL WRITING INSTRUMENTS”. I think they should have a commercial whrer a couple go to a Lexus,BMW, Mercedes, etc dealership, looking at cars, and each salesman describes his car as “THE CADDILAC OF LUXURY CARS”, dismayed, the couple gets an idea and runs to a Caddilac dealer and buys one (ok, kinda cheesy,but you get the point). Happy Motoring!
John C,
Thats a good idea, that would make a great commercial!
To John C:
That is absolutely brilliant. It works. It works perfectly.
GM should do exactly as you suggested. What a great concept. Congrats !
I just read with VERY great interest about the 2006 Holden Commodore SS V and the possibility of it coming to the US as the RWD Grand Prix (please don’t call it the “G8″). I’ve already convinced my wife we need to trade her Accord for a Grand Prix once my GTP is paid for (2008), and I would love to park an LS2 powered GP in the “His” spot in our garage. I understand Mr. Mooney of Holden is in Detroit as I write this pitching GM brass on importing the Commodore as a Pontiac. This is a good thing if it has: “Grand Prix” or “GP” chrome nameplates attached to its flanks, a 6 speed manumatic trans., a real trunk, genuine Pontiac styling cues beyond the split grille, a real stereo (don’t fall for the Aussie Blaupunkt unit again),gets 30+ Hwy mpg, runs high 13’s in the quarter and stickers in the mid-30’s. Double bonus if an AWD system is offered (will be mandatory in the sport sedan class by 2010). If the car is offered with a real 6-speed manual trans behind the LS2, I’ll sell the house and buy 2 GP’s – then, there will only be 8 manuals left!
Mr. Lutz-
I understand you are well over 6′ tall. I am 6′ 2″ and generally fit in GM cars & trucks comfortably, but I was disappointed in the cockpit of the Sky/Solstice. Head and legroom were good, but power window controls felt as if they were behind me (my elbow needs to be behind my ribcage to allow my hands to grip & operate this function). I was under the impression that Solstice/Sky ergonomics were practically built to your dimensions. Window switchgear and cupholders are very inconveniently located.
I also recall a blogger who was disappointed that a saddle/tan interior was not available on the Envious Green (BRG) Solstice. You replied and said that would be fixed and even offered to mis-build him a one-off due the the oversight on the trim. My wife & I have agreed on buying a Solstice GXP, and we’ve agreed on the color scheme: Sly over the Steel/sand leather – Not available on GXP models, which only come with the monotone graphite interior. Please offer at least two if not three interior trim choices across all models (graphite, sand, gray and possibly black & parchment) – GM interiors desperately need color and variety. Dark dash, console and carpet are fine, but door panels and seats need to be done up in a contrasting, light color. I can’t have dark leather seats in a convertible – I’m too attached to the skin on my arms and thighs!
Thank you for taking the time to consider our thoughts on GM products. We are an all-GM household (4 Pontiacs & 1 Honda, which will be traded for a Grand Prix soon!).
Mr. Lutz,
I’ve seen several postings on this topic mentioning serious interest in GM producing American derivatives of the VE Commodore. I own a 2005 GTO and based on my experience so far I’d like to propose a plan somewhat more radical.
Many media reports lately have stated a certain faction of GM’s board is pressing for elimination of certain brands in North America… Saab and Hummer are mentioned the most, with Pontiac and Buick also thrown into the mix. Here is something to consider:
Replace all Pontiac models with Holden’s entire model lineup (or as many as will meet US regulatory requirements with minimal changes). I mean the entire range in LHD… whether to import fully assembled cars rebadged as Pontiacs, or migrate/convert all current Pontiac logistical infrastructure to sell branded Holdens here, or ship CKD kits to be assembled as Pontiacs here, or get the tooling over here to make the cars domestically, whatever makes the most sense from a cost and logistical perspective needs to be done. Change the cars as little as possible (again, just enough to meet US regulations… if it isn’t broken, don’t fix it) and offer them for sale here.
Don’t bother with the added overhead of building multiple variations for several brands from one architecture… just market/sell them as is.
And I’m aware the US is not Australia and vice-versa, but I do believe there’s much more commonality in our tastes and preferences within each segment than has been determined so far. Just some food for thought…
While our 2004 Impala LS has some hard plastic interior pieces, it’s also a very well-built car. It’s very solid, quiet and smooth while also being a pleasure to drive. I’m 44 and I’ve been a GM guy since I bought a used 1964 Pontiac Catalina as my first car in 1979 but my wife’s a Toyota person. She was impressed when we test-drove the Impala, we agreed to buy it, and she’s been happy ever since. One more convert to the GM fold. I look forward to showing our Impala off to her family when we move back to California from Oregon this year; more converts to come!
I just returned from a 5000 mile trip in my Buick Terraza van equipped with the Sit N lift seat. My wife loved this car until she passed away in July. Just before I left there was a review by Forbes that said this was a terrible car. I can only say they don’t know what they are talking about as it drove better than any car I have owned. I am perplexed as to why this wonderful vehicle is not better advertised and why in particular GM has made very little of the Sit N Lift seat. I would think someone would put an ad in AARP showing the Sit N Lift seat and also why somone hasn’t come out with a statement that says GM is taking the lead in providing vehicles for disabled people. When I used this car for my wife I was constantly asked about the seat and how it worked. My wife was thrilled with the car and it made it much easier to get her in and out. I think you are missing a bet by failing to do more advertising of all 4 of the GM minivans
Mr. Lutz,
As a longtime GM dealership technician (31 years), I would like to congratulate your decision to bring the Pontiac GTO to market. I recently purchased a 2006 GTO with a 6-speed stick, and all I can say is WOW! I traded-in a 2001 Z-28 Camaro (LS1 with 6 speed). The GTO is far-and-away light years better in all respects than the Camaro. I don’t care about the magazine press comments about this car- your judgement was spot-on here!! You are truly the car guy’s car guy! I also love the supercharged Cobalt SS- what a ride! If all future GM product is this good-look out!
Thank you for all of your great work!
I think that instead of big gas-guzzlers being marketed all the time we should show more interest on a review i saw last night about an electric car, the G Wiz. Tim Lovejoy from Channel 5’s Fifth Gear took to the streets of London to see if the ¬£7,000 G Wiz was a practical enough vehicle. He found it wasn’t much use for taking the kids to school as it was a little on the small side for the children in the back but was adequate enough to get him self and his golf clubs in, so not too bad I suppose.
It is reckoned that the £7,000 price tag for the car will pay for its self within 1 year due to the car being exempt from the congestion charge, road tax, and can be parked for free in central London. The top speed of the car is just 40 mph and can travel for 40 miles on a single charge. In my eyes this is perfected for anyone living in the central of London.
Thank you for the new GTO. The quality and power found in the GTO is really something special. If you look at this car like it’s a BMW competitor you will come to appreciate what a car it is. A GTO-R edition with more aggressive bodywork and 500 hp would have been a world beater! I bought my 2006 last month. Wow.
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I have to say I was a bit saddened to read your comments, Bob, with respect to the Impala controls being world class. While it is an extremely nice car–more than likely one of the best in years from GM–the interior is by no means world class.
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